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Two Unfinished Topics And Questions

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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#101		[-]
Posts: 1931 12/26/2006 17:40 Forum Moderator	Katherine wrote: *Quote:* The difference is, the Baptists don't claim to be the "one, true church of Christ," and as such, aren't held to have same standard as those who do, i.e., the NAC. And this is different from the NAC how, exactly? Oh, that's right, the NAC says, "We don't know" to obscure the fact that they believe they alone are on the right path. Without the "apostles" you can forget it. Hence the degrading comments about the "Bible carriers." Yep...I agree Katherine...that is why we have the degarding comments about the "Bible carriers" and other remarks that get made from time to time in the divine services...
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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#102		[-]
Posts: 1931 12/26/2006 18:48 Forum Moderator	What does the NAC really stand for? Is it #1... #2... or #3... or a combination or only what the NAC wants to make you think they stand for? No wonder why things are so messed up and comments like... 'We are not better...We are just better off' are made... as well as many other degrading comments concerning other faiths - Christian or not! 1. ChAp service 2006-11-26 in Osnabrueck p072.ezboard.com/fnacboar...D=58.topic 2. NAC - Position Papers: The New Apostolic Church details its doctrine of salvation: Exclusive? Yes, but with no claim to absoluteness www.naki.org/en/news/offi.../12755/55/ www.nak.org/fileadmin/dow...240106.pdf www.nak.org/fileadmin/dow...7_engl.pdf -- NAC - Apostles Necessary For Salvation www.nak.org/en/faith-and-...r/all/294/ -- The Holy Spirit and its diverse ways of activity www.nak.org/en/news/news-...e/14674/3/ www.nak.org/fileadmin/dow...7_engl.pdf -- New doctrinal statement (Jan 2007) regarding the HS vs. HS p072.ezboard.com/fnacboar...D=99.topic -- NAC - Position Papers: Baptism Statements The New Apostolic Church revises its position on Baptism: Henceforward all Trinitarian Baptisms will be fully recognised www.nak.org/en/news/offic.../12756/55/ www.nak.org/fileadmin/dow...240106.pdf 3. NAC CREED New Apostolic Church Creed www.nak.org/en/faith-and-church/creed/ www.nak.org/en/about-the-...acraments/ www.nak.org/en/faith-and-...the-month/ www.nak.org/en/faith-and-...h/archive/ NAC Creed & Position Paper Links: p072.ezboard.com/fnacboar...68&stop=68 [Edited to correct spelling errors]
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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#103		[-]
Posts: 1931 01/16/2007 19:10 Forum Moderator	Here's an interesting take on John 20:21-23 from a catholic perspective.... even though I don't agree with everything portrayed here... You have to admit that the Roman Catholic Church does a much better job of explaning things than does the New Apostolic Church... ie - Position Papers, Creed, Chief Apostle (including District Apostle & Apostle comments) during divine services... www.envoymagazine.com/bac...bolts.html
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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#104		[-]
Posts: 1931 07/17/2007 21:38 Forum Moderator	Well now.... since the debate fourm is now officially closed due to lack of participation from the TBer's defending the NAC doctrine.... maybe this thread can be used as a debate area - as the title implies - Two Unfinished Topics And Questions p072.ezboard.com/fnacboar...=654.topic Why not let the TBer's debate right here in this thread or the other thread on the Forgiveness of Sins.... Just a thought.... EDIT: The Debate forums are now open again... and can be found in the following links :-) Debate Proposals p098.ezboard.com/fnacboardfrm60 Formal Debates p098.ezboard.com/fnacboardfrm58 Debate Discussions p098.ezboard.com/fnacboardfrm59
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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#105		[-]
Posts: 1931 07/26/2007 18:00 Forum Moderator	Thanks to KnotLost for posting this in the thread Forgiveness of Sins by Apostles .... Since the debate forums have been deleted, would anyone (Pro or Con) like to debate the following item listed below: Belief that the authority to forgive sins in the name of Jesus is vested in the apostolate. (The apostles have been given the authority to forgive sins in Jesus name, however the absolution pronounced by priestly ministers in the stead of the apostle has the same effect as if the apostle himself had prounced it). The NAC - from the position paper on "The concept of sin": *Quote:* Nevertheless, sinners also have to meet certain conditions in order to have their sins forgiven by God. These include: * Faith in Jesus Christ * Belief that the authority to forgive sins in the name of Jesus is vested in the apostolate. (The apostles have been given the authority to forgive sins in Jesus name, however the absolution pronounced by priestly ministers in the stead of the apostle has the same effect as if the apostle himself had prounced it). * The realisation that they have sinned and are in need of grace * The heartfelt desire for reconciliation with God * Acknowledging their sins before God, as expressed in the supplication in the Lord's Prayer: "... forgive us our debts..." * Remorse and repentance. This is associated with a desire to make good their guilt towards others * The serious resolution to overcome faults and weaknesses * Willingness to forgive and be reconciled, * Grasping the absolution in faith. Also - statement on New Apostolic Church - Original Sin: Meeting centred on questions of faith www.nak.org/en/news/naci-news/article/14834/ [Edited to correct spelling errors]
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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#106		[-]
Posts: 1931 08/27/2007 00:29 Forum Moderator	Speaking about the "Forgiveness of Sins"... I came across these verses in Colossians... Colossians 2:9-15 (New International Version) "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."
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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#107		[-]
Posts: 1931 10/11/2007 01:44 Forum Moderator	Forgiveness of Sins/Apostles (John 20:21-23) comes up again in the following thread... Help me find the answers p098.ezboard.com/fnacboar...1228.topic There is much here in this thread to help with these topics & verses...
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vapour123	Re: Two Unfinished Topics And Questions	#108		[-]
Posts: 1931 12/12/2007 11:46 Forum Moderator	Hi all... After reading many of the comments in the - *Communion - NAC EXCLUSIVE?* - thread... I thought it would be good idea for some review of this thread for better understanding and meaning re: forgivness of sins/communion.... Enjoy! COMMUNION - NAC EXCLUSIVE? p098.ezboard.com/COMMUNIO...1281.topic
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vapour123	Apostles Forgiving Sins....	#109		[-]
Posts: 1931 07/04/2008 10:33 Forum Moderator	Hello QFTNAC This is a good thread to read through concerning the topic - 'Apostles and Forgiveness of Sins' - Hope this helps...
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