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CA Leber releases a Statement Concerning the Message of CA Bischoff (the Botschaft)

DirkNow responds :

"... I have never seen anything like this statement. Endless equivocation. Craven, post-hoc rationalizations. And an undying refusal to call a spade a spade and label the botschaft for what it was: the deluded ravings of a senile megalomaniac.

Note also the way that Leber speaks out of both sides of his mouth. On the one hand, he is sorry for those few sentient beings that resisted the message and suffered as a result. But on the other, he holds out those that accepted the message and made preparations (undoubtedly including the vilification of the infidels) as the faithful souls whose obedience was exemplary. So which group was right, and which group was wrong? You can't have it both ways, unless you are the New Apostolic Church."

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StillNAC	INDOCTRINATING OUR CHILDREN		Lead	[-]
Posts: 26 04/04/2012 08:37	Tags : None Remove this ad I was a Sunday school teacher (RI 4 and later Confirmation) for a number of years, until it became too painful for me to teach, especially the new creed. I read with interest the Sundayschool stories posted by Deaconess and it really saddened me, even though it was before my time. The first time I read about the Botchaft on this board, it shocked me to the core. I was even more shocked that I never heard about it before... from ANYONE! I went back to my RI Teacher's Manual, because, surely it MUST be in there, since 3 chapters are dedicated to the Bischoff-era. Maybe I just did not notice it. Well, it was not there, instead the most memorable uttering of Our Beloved CA Bischoff (which children had to learn off by heart) is: 'The narrow way has always been wide enough for me' and 'The Lord will look for His sheep where the shepherds are'. Now for the cracker: A story is told of how an evangelist and a priest were arrested during a service in Blaubach (Germany) in 1933. They were taken to a prison at Kusel. Adversaries of the NAC lined the street and abused them, some even threw stones at them. Well surprise, surprise, the story continues - the man who issued the order for them to be arrested, "a bitter enemy of the New Apostolic Church, later died a miserable, extremely painful death" (page 127). How on earth did anyone think such stories (whether true or false) should be told to children? Is this supposed to tell them, 'you better stay in this church or you might also die a miserable, extremely painful death'?! The manual I'm referring to was issued in 1980 and used in South Africa. It was still used in 2005/6 (when RI classes were stopped).
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Calamity	If you don't mention it, maybe it never happened!	#1		[-]
Posts: 6590 04/04/2012 09:48 Ne'er-do-well	StillNAC wrote: The first time I read about the Botchaft on this board, it shocked me to the core. I was even more shocked that I never heard about it before... from ANYONE! It's over 50 years later and the NAC still can't bring themselves to tell the simple truth - Bischoff was wrong, his prognostications didn't come true, not one part of his Botschaft has come to pass. In addition to the lie they told everyone ("God changed his mind!") and the silly rationalizations that followed ("God is separating the wheat from the chaff!"), the NAC itself proved that they didn't take Bischoff's nonsense to heart, because he said "I am the last Chief Apostle - there will be no other after me!", and yet clearly there have been 5 "Chief Apostles" since his death. If they truly believed the latest spin they put on the Botschaft - that it is happening over a long period of time - then what part of the Botschaft do they believe is true? StillNAC wrote: Well surprise, surprise, the story continues - the man who issued the order for them to be arrested, "a bitter enemy of the New Apostolic Church, later died a miserable, extremely painful death" (page 127). How on earth did anyone think such stories (whether true or false) should be told to children? Is this supposed to tell them, 'you better stay in this church or you might also die a miserable, extremely painful death'?! Stories like that illustrate the NAC faithful's "selective memory". For instance, a New Apostolic who got killed inside the church is rarely mentioned, or the myriad numbers of New Apostolic ministers who have died (or are currently dying) slow or agonizing deaths from cancer or other illnesses is never mentioned at all, but anyone who has been critical of the church must have died (or will die) a horrible death, because God would never allow someone to get away with disparaging His Church. This silly delusion makes them feel better about the nonsense they believe, because looking at ALL people involved with the church and the ways they've died would show that New Apostolics are certainly no better and perhaps no worse than any other people on the planet. But facts that don't reinforce the delusion are conveniently jettisoned in favor of silly pious propaganda that only serves to scare the weak-minded in order to keep them from thinking. And keep them in the fold.
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HelpMFTT		#2		[-]
Posts: 339 04/04/2012 09:55	Before I left the church, I too was a RI/SS teacher. As you said StillNAC, it was increasingly hard for me to teach that crap so I decided I wouldn't do it. What I did was to use the topic, or the story, bring in reference materials, study the situation and allow the children to give their impressions. Sometime we never had a conclusion. Sometimes we came to conclusion that was a polar opposite of what the church taught. An example of this is the NACs foundation for S for the D; the rich man and Lazarus. The kids came to the conclusion by reading and discussing the story that the gulf between the living and the dead could NOT be bridged from the earth. I was quite proud of them for that conclusion and quite frankly, they were right! Shortly after that very moment I stopped coming and haven't been back since.
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Offender		#3		[-]
Posts: 467 04/04/2012 13:21	Calamity wrote: he said "I am the last Chief Apostle - there will be no other after me!", and yet clearly there have been 5 "Chief Apostles" since his death. Some would make the argument that he was correct... That all of them since have just been imposters/charlatans.
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Love4Christ		#4		[-]
Posts: 1166 04/04/2012 13:38 NAC Reformer	Hello! Quote: "because he said "I am the last Chief Apostle - there will be no other after me!" Perhaps this was a true statement - but the Ch Ap Helper at the time that was going to END the office of CA & move to a 'counsel of Apostles' was usurped ... Yours in Christ, ~ G ~ "There is no wisdom save in truth. Truth is everlasting, but our ideas about truth are changeable. Only a little of the first fruits of wisdom, only a few fragments of the boundless heights, breadths and depths of truth, have I been able to gather." -Martin Luther "The word 'Christianity' is already a misunderstanding -- in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross." - *Friedrich Nietzsche*
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