Just how DID they become Chief Apostle, anyway????
I received the following info. in an email:
I received the following info. in an email:
========== Peter Kuhlen =============== The apostles unanimously suggested Kuhlen as Bischoff's successor. Bischoff has called this later ungodly. Bischoff's words at Kuhlen's ordination as chief apostle on 1948-May-21 are quoted in Wikipedia http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kuhlen "In the name and commission of the apostles college, receive the chief apostle ministry ..." Interesting that Bischoff did not refer to the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, Kuhlen has often been called chief apostle helper because Bischoff added: "As long as I am still here and capable, he will be my helper. But from that moment on when I will be called by the Lord through sickness or otherwise, he will step into my place without further ado." Translations from Wikipedia are mine. I have to trust that the Wikipedia quote is the true German wording. After Bischoff had announced that he will not die, Kuhlen turned down his commission as chief apostle in 1950. Someone in a forum referred to Drave who has supposedly called Kuhlen's unanimous election "ungodly" by Bischoff's later words. ============ Walter Schmidt ============ Walter Schmidt had taken over the Rheinland district on 1955-Jan-24 after Peter Kuhlen's excommunication. Schmidt was unanimously elected in Frankfurt on 1960-Jul-07 as chief apostle after Bischoff's death by those apostles who were present. Apostle Landgraf whom Bischoff had appointed as his successor had already died. The small number of apostles in Frankfurt did NOT constitute the necessary quorum of 3/4th of all apostles as the protocol states. Schmidt was nevertheless presented to the new apostolic public as the chief apostle in a service on the Sunday following Bischoff's death. Gottfried Rockenfelder had called for another extraordinary meeting on 1960- Aug-02 according to the statutes of the "Apostles College of the New Apostolic Church" to elect the new chief apostle. The protocol states clearly that the election took actually place on Aug 2nd. (Remark 1: nota bene, Schmidt had already been presented to the new apostolic public as the new chief apostle). Remark 2: the words "extraordinary meeting" are significant, see comment on APWiki) The protocol: http://waechterstimme.orgfree.com/pr600802.html http://waechterstimme.orgfree.com/seite1.html http://waechterstimme.orgfree.com/seite2.html The protocol of this apostles meeting on 1960-Aug-02 lists 17 apostles who were present. The only non-German apostle at the August meeting was Chrétien Dauber from France. At that time there were 48 active apostles in the NAC. The protocol states - contrary to the facts - that more than 3/4 of the members were present. APWiki: The statutes of 1951 said that in extraordinary meetings it is sufficient if "all those apostles who can be reached have been invited and have come". http://www.apostolische- geschichte.de/wiki/index.php?title=Walter_Schmidt_%28Geistlicher%29 Remark: several sources claim that both of Schmidt's elections were contrary to the statutes because even in the second meeting the 17 apostles did not constitute a 3/4th quorum of all apostles. These reports - which also conclude that the new apostolic public has been lied to in that first service after Bischoff's death - did not take into consideration the special provisions for "extraordinary meetings" to which APWiki refers without a citation. Remark: The "Freunde der reinen Jesuslehre" ("Friends of the True Jesus Doctrine", a group from the long gone past, 1998) have published the protocol of the August meeting and an excerpt from the statutes. In this excerpt I do not see that special provision for "extraordinary meetings". I believe the often used abbreviation "RF" on the http://waechterstimme.orgfree.com/ pages refers to the pseudonym "Ricky Fair". See also http://www.glaubenskultur.de/artikel-98.html ============= Hans Urwyler ============= It has been reported that the election of Hans Urwyler was difficult. I do not have a good source for this, only posts in several Internet fora. Urwyler's, H.G. Rockenfelder's (jun.) and DAp Karl Kuehnle's names were on the anonymous ballot cards in a first election round but neither one had the necessary majority. Urwyler succeeded in a second election round (also mentioned in a post by Michael Koch, see http://www.glaubeundkirche.de/viewtopic.php?p=298894#p298894) but not unanimously, as another rumor goes. Maybe it was this rumor which prompted RF to write that the second election did not conform to the statutes (http://waechterstimme.orgfree.com/br970609.html). He was elected on 1978-Nov-18 (APWiki) http://www.apostolische-geschichte.de/wiki/index.php?title=Hans_Urwyler Of course there's the good old fashioned method for becoming Chief Apostle.... just declare yourself to be one as Krebs did.